feels it his party back when he feels it needs it. , needs it. interesting. on the privileges— needs it. interesting. on the privileges committee - needs it. interesting. on the privileges committee the - needs it. interesting. on the - privileges committee the people around the world, it is just worth explaining what this committee has been doing over the last few weeks and months. been doing over the last few weeks and months— been doing over the last few weeks and months. yes, it is a committee of mps and months. yes, it is a committee of mp5 from _ and months. yes, it is a committee of mps from all _ and months. yes, it is a committee of mps from all parties _ and months. yes, it is a committee of mps from all parties and - and months. yes, it is a committee of mps from all parties and in - and months. yes, it is a committee of mps from all parties and in a - of mps from all parties and in a nutshell what they have been looking at is that when borisjohnson told parliament on a number of occasions that they have not been any violations of those very different restrictions that we had during lockdown, has he been either accidentally misleading parliament, intentionally misleading parliament, or, sort of not doing enough to set the record straight with parliament? they have obviously decided, according to borisjohnson, that he had not been levelling properly with parliament because, as i say, he has decided to turn defence into a fairly spectacular attack. qm. decided to turn defence into a fairly spectacular attack. ok, well, thank ou fairly spectacular attack. ok, well, thank you very _ fairly spectacular attack. ok, well, thank you very much _ fairly spectacular attack. ok, well, thank you very much for _ fairly spectacular attack. ok, well, thank you very much for that. - fairly spectacular attack. ok, well, thank you very much for that. we l thank you very much for that. we will come back to you a little

later. i think we can speak to the journalist christopher hope now, which just should be setting up journalist christopher hope now, whichjust should be setting up his line. firstly, what is your reaction? is that the face of your reaction? is that the face of your reaction? fair enough! on the way home we hear he has resigned — on the way home we hear he has resigned from parliament. governments were given zero notice of their_ governments were given zero notice of their so_ governments were given zero notice of their so it — governments were given zero notice of their so it was told in the what's _ of their so it was told in the what's up _ of their so it was told in the what's up as. i understand boris johnson — what's up as. i understand boris johnson is — what's up as. i understand boris johnson is known africa. he's not in the uk _ johnson is known africa. he's not in the uk to— johnson is known africa. he's not in the uk to wipe up this mess. he wants— the uk to wipe up this mess. he wants to come back, he says, in his statement — wants to come back, he says, in his statement there, which i have just whisked _ statement there, which i have just whisked through, but it is hard to see under— whisked through, but it is hard to see under the current regime as a tory— see under the current regime as a tory mp~ — see under the current regime as a tory mp~ so — see under the current regime as a tory mp. so what will he do next crack _ tory mp. so what will he do next crack snack— tory mp. so what will he do next crack snack will he try to do an alternative _ crack snack will he try to do an alternative party's i don't know, no one knows, — alternative party's i don't know, no one knows, but this is absolutely extraordinary news. | one knows, but this is absolutely

extraordinary news.— one knows, but this is absolutely extraordinary news. i will read out that line that — extraordinary news. i will read out that line that you _ extraordinary news. i will read out that line that you were _ extraordinary news. i will read out that line that you were referring . that line that you were referring to, that he writes. at the end of his statement he says it is very sad to be leaving parliament, at least for now. two he said the same thing, didn't he, in his resignation statement when he didn't stand against richie's new note last october rishi sunak. he likes to keep his audience excited, waiting for the next borisjohnson instalment. for the next boris johnson instalment.— for the next boris johnson instalment. , ., ,, ~ instalment. this does seem like the end of something _ instalment. this does seem like the end of something because - instalment. this does seem like the end of something because i - instalment. this does seem like the end of something because i don't i instalment. this does seem like the | end of something because i don't see how boris— end of something because i don't see how borisjohnson can end of something because i don't see how boris johnson can come back. government were given no notice with this. government were given no notice with this the _ government were given no notice with this. the other big news today was nadine _ this. the other big news today was nadine dorries also resigning as an mp. nadine dorries also resigning as an mp may— nadine dorries also resigning as an mp. may be barely a minute of that announcement notice. this is complete _ announcement notice. this is complete chaos at the top of the tory party. may i remind people of

the chaos — tory party. may i remind people of the chaos of last year. it may help, reversety. — the chaos of last year. it may help, reversely, rishi sunak look responsible. it is a reminder of last year — responsible. it is a reminder of last year-— last year. given all of your experience, _ last year. given all of your experience, what - last year. given all of your experience, what will - last year. given all of your experience, what will be l last year. given all of your - experience, what will be happening right now in 10 downing street, in parliament because dorries actually is going on's parliament because dorries actually is going en'— parliament because dorries actually is going on'_ is going on's they are putting a towel into _ is going on's they are putting a towel into a — is going on's they are putting a towel into a basin _ is going on's they are putting a towel into a basin and - is going on's they are putting a towel into a basin and putting. towel into a basin and putting a towel— towel into a basin and putting a towel over their head. they are panicking _ towel over their head. they are panicking. they will meet on monday and will— panicking. they will meet on monday and will work out what to do next. we don't — and will work out what to do next. we don't know whether mrjohnson, we assume _ we don't know whether mrjohnson, we assume he _ we don't know whether mrjohnson, we assume he is _ we don't know whether mrjohnson, we assume he is resigning immediately, so that— assume he is resigning immediately, so that means may be too massive by elections _ so that means may be too massive by elections. those are safe seats, massive — elections. those are safe seats, massive tests that were not on the horizon, _ massive tests that were not on the horizon, and those are now on the horizon _ horizon, and those are now on the horizon a— horizon, and those are now on the horizon. a real test for rishi sunak when _ horizon. a real test for rishi sunak when he _ horizon. a real test for rishi sunak when he doesn't need it, he's trying to get— when he doesn't need it, he's trying to get through his five challenges

as prime — to get through his five challenges as prime minister. that's what's happening. they're trying to be, not panic. _ happening. they're trying to be, not panic. hut— happening. they're trying to be, not panic, but let me tell you, the whatsapp phones are red hot tonight. i bet. whatsapp phones are red hot tonight. i bet the _ whatsapp phones are red hot tonight. i bet. the language used here, because in the great tradition of resignation letters and statements from british politicians, an understatement with everything, wasn't it's understatement was the order of the day. this is anything but. you have borisjohnson using phrases like with conch, which is what donald trump uses. kangaroo court. this is really, really explosive attacks on part of the institutions to parliament. that term kangaroo _ institutions to parliament. that term kangaroo court _ institutions to parliament. that term kangaroo court was first used in a report— term kangaroo court was first used in a report from allies ofjohnson before _ in a report from allies ofjohnson before this — in a report from allies ofjohnson before this whole thing started because — before this whole thing started because i wrote the article in which it was— because i wrote the article in which it was in _ because i wrote the article in which it was in. that was in may of last year for— it was in. that was in may of last year for the _ it was in. that was in may of last year for the daily telegraph.

there's_ year for the daily telegraph. there's toxin people and number ten or around _ there's toxin people and number ten oraround numberten, they say there's toxin people and number ten or around number ten, they say he hadn't _ or around number ten, they say he hadn't helped himself for having an aggressive approach for this committee hearing, and that's the problem _ committee hearing, and that's the problem for many people even on the committee _ problem for many people even on the committee. they wondered whyjohnson went legal— committee. they wondered whyjohnson went legal so much and was sort of hiding _ went legal so much and was sort of hiding behind lawyers when they interacted with him. this was meant to he _ interacted with him. this was meant to be a previous committee which was setup _ to be a previous committee which was set up by— to be a previous committee which was set up by his— to be a previous committee which was set up by his peers in parliament, shared _ set up by his peers in parliament, shared by— set up by his peers in parliament, shared by the labour mp, but a when that happens it's like being charged try that happens it's like being charged by work— that happens it's like being charged by work colleagues on the committee. you join _ by work colleagues on the committee. you join and _ by work colleagues on the committee. you join and you try to understand what they're doing. that was seen i think— what they're doing. that was seen i think by— what they're doing. that was seen i think by senior figures around downing — think by senior figures around downing street, but why was he being so aggressive. it worked against his case _ so aggressive. it worked against his case how— so aggressive. it worked against his case. how he got through this, there was a _ case. how he got through this, there was a way— case. how he got through this, there was a way back forjohnson if he got through— was a way back forjohnson if he got through this. a recent poll said he would have — through this. a recent poll said he would have won that seat had at one

for by election. i don't think number— for by election. i don't think number ten knew anything about this. this happened, like your viewers, on the train and — this happened, like your viewers, on the train, and a movement when no one was— the train, and a movement when no one was expecting it. what the train, and a movement when no one was expecting it.— one was expecting it. what about in his mind. one was expecting it. what about in his mind- do _ one was expecting it. what about in his mind. do you _ one was expecting it. what about in his mind. do you think— one was expecting it. what about in his mind. do you think this - one was expecting it. what about in his mind. do you think this will - his mind. do you think this will be something he would've had been weighing up for a while and just information he received about the latest update on the work of the committee was the final straw? melt. committee was the final straw? well, it was yesterday _ committee was the final straw? well, it was yesterday that _ committee was the final straw? well, it was yesterday that he _ committee was the final straw? well, it was yesterday that he got - committee was the final straw? well, it was yesterday that he got the update — it was yesterday that he got the update on the committee. he had two weeks _ update on the committee. he had two weeks to— update on the committee. he had two weeks to respond to it. when that finishes, — weeks to respond to it. when that finishes, the report itself is published. we expected that around the 22nd _ published. we expected that around the 22nd ofjune. the 29th ofjune was the _ the 22nd ofjune. the 29th ofjune was the date penciled in for a vote on boris _ was the date penciled in for a vote on borisjohnson future. it on boris johnson future. it would've been _ on boris johnson future. it would've been a _ on boris johnson future. it would've been a free — on boris johnson future. it would've been a free vote of tory mps. all the opposition for mps would've voted _ the opposition for mps would've voted for— the opposition for mps would've voted for what we now know would be a ten day _ voted for what we now know would be a ten day plus band, which would have _ a ten day plus band, which would have led to — a ten day plus band, which would have led to a recall by election eventually in his seat. so he left

himself, try to convince, tory mps to vote _ himself, try to convince, tory mps to vote for— himself, try to convince, tory mps to vote for him. and he will tell you about — to vote for him. and he will tell you about borisjohnson is that he's guite _ you about borisjohnson is that he's quite a _ you about borisjohnson is that he's quite a loner, he's isolated, not many— quite a loner, he's isolated, not many friends amongst the tory benches, — many friends amongst the tory benches, and that's why he told himself— benches, and that's why he told himself he maybe be with enough people _ himself he maybe be with enough people around me to save my skin, therefore. — people around me to save my skin, therefore, i'm going to go now. that's_ therefore, i'm going to go now. that's preset of course. christopher, please stay right there but i'll give you just a few minutes to check your breath and check your whatsapp messages. the to check your breath and check your whatsapp messages.— to check your breath and check your whatsapp messages. the rumours of what miaht whatsapp messages. the rumours of what might be more _ whatsapp messages. the rumours of what might be more resignations - what might be more resignations tonight— what might be more resignations tonight on my whatsapp. i don't know if that's— tonight on my whatsapp. i don't know if that's true — tonight on my whatsapp. i don't know if that's true. i�*m tonight on my whatsapp. i don't know if that's true-— if that's true. i'm 'ust going to brina in if that's true. i'm 'ust going to bring injohn _ if that's true. i'm just going to bring in john curtis, _ if that's true. i'm just going to bring in john curtis, who - if that's true. i'm just going to bring in john curtis, who as i if that's true. i'm just going to l bring in john curtis, who as you if that's true. i'm just going to - bring in john curtis, who as you see bring injohn curtis, who as you see hasjust come on bring injohn curtis, who as you see has just come on the programme as well. great to see you on what is an extraordinary moment. it well. great to see you on what is an extraordinary moment.— extraordinary moment. it certainly is. ithink extraordinary moment. it certainly is. i think when _ extraordinary moment. it certainly is. i think when those _ extraordinary moment. it certainly is. i think when those of _ extraordinary moment. it certainly is. i think when those of us - extraordinary moment. it certainly is. i think when those of us who i is. i think when those of us who watched mrjohnson's performance before the previous committee and the question that was coming from

that committee including not lease from the conservative members of it, i think we have long been of the view that probably mrjohnson was going to be have found to have misled the house, the question was what punishment when they come up with. i think we now know that the punishment they were coming up with was more than a ten day suspension. given the rules of the house of commons that would mean there would be a recall petition and therefore a potentially by election if 10% of voters signed up position. petition. one of the reasons why borisjohnson could not rely on his conservative colleagues to rescue him is that some of them are probably still remembering the affair of november 2021, when he persuaded them, the majority of the conservative mps, to vote against mr partisans suspension, proposed suspension over breaking the lobbying rules of the house of commons. in the end, of

course, he had to reverse his position. that was actually when the incident began to unsettle tory mps, and then of course partygate came along and that was the rest of it. but in a sense, that would be what many tory mps remember. and having been marched up the hill to make a very unpopular decision, not to suspend mr partisan. they then were dried all the way down the hill again and some of them have never really forgiven mrjohnson for that incident. ., , ,., ., ., really forgiven mrjohnson for that incident. ., ., ., , incident. professor, iwant to 'ust to back incident. professor, iwant to 'ust go backto — incident. professor, iwant to 'ust go back to the fi incident. professor, iwant to 'ust go back to the first i incident. professor, iwant to 'ust go back to the first thing i incident. professor, iwant to 'ust go back to the first thing you i incident. professor, iwant tojust go back to the first thing you are | go back to the first thing you are saying. you were talking about the process and the procedure, given what was to happen with this committee inside parliament that was investigating him. iwant committee inside parliament that was investigating him. i want to just read the sentence, one of the sentences that relates to that. in this borisjohnson statement, he says, i am this borisjohnson statement, he says, iam now this borisjohnson statement, he says, i am now being forced out of parliament by a tiny handful of people with no evidence to back up their assertions and without the

approval even of conservative party members let alone the wider electorate. i believe that a dangerous and unsettling precedent is being set. ijust want to get a response to that. leave aside the issue of his belief in the prejudice of the committee. but this idea that he believes he is effectively being forced out. so this is basically him jumping before he's pushed. is that right because mark jumping before he's pushed. is that right because mari— right because mark that's effectively _ right because mark that's effectively what's - right because mark that's i effectively what's happening right because mark that's _ effectively what's happening because he reckons that indeed a, that he would, the previous committee would put his recommendation to the house, that the house would vote in favour, that the house would vote in favour, that 10% of the voters would indeed call for a partition and presumably he has also come to the conclusion there is a pretty good, despite lord ashcroft poll, a chance that he would lose the by election. but mr johnson's political problem certainly as far as the wider public

is concerned is that in the wake of the partygate affair, he is no longer believe. it's quite remarkable opinion poll that you guys came up with only a couple of days ago. 85% of people said look, frankly, we think that mrjohnson lied over partygate. some of them would then say well, it's time to let bygones be guide don's. two thirds of them, including 50% of people who voted conservative in 2019 said that mrjohnson should resign as an mp if indeed he was found to have misled the house. and indeed that poll also suggested the majority of the voters thought the process was fair. the truth is that mrjohnson as far as the wider public is concerned is tilting at windmills. the public long ago decided that mrjohnson was not telling the truth. they almost came to that view within days of the original breaking of the partygate story. he has never succeeded in getting the public to be persuaded otherwise since. it has taken much

longerfor otherwise since. it has taken much longer for the otherwise since. it has taken much longerfor the house otherwise since. it has taken much longer for the house of commons to come to the same judgment, but i think of me and he's going to have to appreciate that was frankly, i think, already over, and it certainly going to be over now. interesting. john stay there, i want to go tojoann a former adviser at conservative central office who we spoke to just a little earlier. joanne, what are your thoughts at the moment because mark i’m the moment because mark i'm fascinated _ the moment because mark i'm fascinated obviously to hear what your other — fascinated obviously to hear what your other guests _ fascinated obviously to hear what your other guests are _ fascinated obviously to hear what your other guests are discussing. fascinated obviously to hear what. your other guests are discussing. i was taken — your other guests are discussing. i was taken with _ your other guests are discussing. i was taken with what _ your other guests are discussing. i was taken with what christopher i your other guests are discussing. i. was taken with what christopher hope were saying _ was taken with what christopher hope were saying about _ was taken with what christopher hope were saying about what _ was taken with what christopher hope were saying about what boris - was taken with what christopher hope were saying about what boris might . were saying about what boris might or possibly — were saying about what boris might or possibly could _ were saying about what boris might or possibly could do _ were saying about what boris might or possibly could do next. - were saying about what boris might or possibly could do next. and i were saying about what boris might or possibly could do next. and thenj or possibly could do next. and then very obviously — or possibly could do next. and then very obviously a _ or possibly could do next. and then very obviously a celebrity _ or possibly could do next. and then very obviously a celebrity in - or possibly could do next. and then very obviously a celebrity in many l very obviously a celebrity in many ways _ very obviously a celebrity in many ways and — very obviously a celebrity in many ways and he — very obviously a celebrity in many ways and he already _ very obviously a celebrity in many ways and he already has - very obviously a celebrity in many ways and he already has a - very obviously a celebrity in many ways and he already has a careerl very obviously a celebrity in many l ways and he already has a career as an after dinner— ways and he already has a career as an after dinner speaker— ways and he already has a career as an after dinner speaker and - ways and he already has a career as an after dinner speaker and as i ways and he already has a career as an after dinner speaker and as a i an after dinner speaker and as a writer~ — an after dinner speaker and as a writer~ im— an after dinner speaker and as a writer~ i'm sure— an after dinner speaker and as a writer. i'm sure he _ an after dinner speaker and as a writer. i'm sure he would - an after dinner speaker and as a writer. i'm sure he would be i writer. i'm sure he would be a successful— writer. i'm sure he would be a successful television - writer. i'm sure he would be a . successful television personality writer. i'm sure he would be a i successful television personality as well if _ successful television personality as well if he _ successful television personality as well if he chooses _ successful television personality as well if he chooses to _ successful television personality as well if he chooses to do _ successful television personality as well if he chooses to do that. - successful television personality as

well if he chooses to do that. but l successful television personality as well if he chooses to do that. but i| well if he chooses to do that. but i wonder— well if he chooses to do that. but i wonder whether— well if he chooses to do that. but i wonder whether he _ well if he chooses to do that. but i wonder whether he hasn't - well if he chooses to do that. but i wonder whether he hasn't got heri wonder whether he hasn't got her sights— wonder whether he hasn't got her sights on— wonder whether he hasn't got her sights on a — wonder whether he hasn't got her sights on a bigger— wonder whether he hasn't got her sights on a bigger stage. - wonder whether he hasn't got her sights on a bigger stage. if- wonder whether he hasn't got her sights on a bigger stage. if we i sights on a bigger stage. if we think— sights on a bigger stage. if we think back— sights on a bigger stage. if we think back to _ sights on a bigger stage. if we think back to those _ sights on a bigger stage. if wel think back to those biographies sights on a bigger stage. if we i think back to those biographies that revealed _ think back to those biographies that revealed how— think back to those biographies that revealed how he _ think back to those biographies that revealed how he had _ think back to those biographies that revealed how he had seen - think back to those biographies that revealed how he had seen himself. think back to those biographies thatl revealed how he had seen himself as world _ revealed how he had seen himself as world king _ revealed how he had seen himself as world king since _ revealed how he had seen himself as world king since a _ revealed how he had seen himself as world king since a very— revealed how he had seen himself as world king since a very young - revealed how he had seen himself as world king since a very young age, i world king since a very young age, he's very— world king since a very young age, he's very much _ world king since a very young age, he's very much in— world king since a very young age, he's very much in his _ world king since a very young age, he's very much in his own- world king since a very young age, | he's very much in his own personal political— he's very much in his own personal political identity— he's very much in his own personal political identity to _ he's very much in his own personal political identity to the _ he's very much in his own personal political identity to the cause - he's very much in his own personal political identity to the cause of i political identity to the cause of climate — political identity to the cause of climate change, _ political identity to the cause of climate change, and _ political identity to the cause of climate change, and to - political identity to the cause of. climate change, and to obviously political identity to the cause of i climate change, and to obviously the ukraine _ climate change, and to obviously the ukraine war~ — climate change, and to obviously the ukraine war~ i— climate change, and to obviously the ukraine war. ithink— climate change, and to obviously the ukraine war. i think that— climate change, and to obviously the ukraine war. i think that he - climate change, and to obviously the ukraine war. i think that he may- ukraine war. i think that he may have _ ukraine war. i think that he may have in— ukraine war. i think that he may have in mind _ ukraine war. i think that he may have in mind a _ ukraine war. i think that he may have in mind a role _ ukraine war. i think that he may have in mind a role that- ukraine war. i think that he may have in mind a role that are i have in mind a role that are somewhat _ have in mind a role that are - somewhat bigger than westminster, something _ somewhat bigger than westminster, something in— somewhat bigger than westminster, something in one _ somewhat bigger than westminster, something in one of— somewhat bigger than westminster, something in one of the _ something in one of the international— something in one of the international ngos, i something in one of the i international ngos, possibly something _ international ngos, possibly something potentially- international ngos, possibly something potentially even i international ngos, possibly i something potentially even with nato~ _ something potentially even with nato~ who — something potentially even with nato. who knows. _ something potentially even with nato. who knows. but- something potentially even with nato. who knows. but boris- something potentially even with i nato. who knows. but borisjohnson is obviously — nato. who knows. but borisjohnson is obviously no — nato. who knows. but borisjohnson is obviously no shrinking _ nato. who knows. but borisjohnson is obviously no shrinking violet. i is obviously no shrinking violet. and he — is obviously no shrinking violet. and he does— is obviously no shrinking violet. and he does have _ is obviously no shrinking violet. and he does have a _ is obviously no shrinking violet. and he does have a lot- is obviously no shrinking violet. and he does have a lot of- and he does have a lot of international— and he does have a lot of international friends- and he does have a lot of international friends and i international friends and supporters _ international friends and supporters. some - international friends and i supporters. some ironically, international friends and - supporters. some ironically, given his role— supporters. some ironically, given his role in— supporters. some ironically, given his role in brexit. _ supporters. some ironically, given his role in brexit. i— supporters. some ironically, given his role in brexit. i actually- supporters. some ironically, given his role in brexit. i actually find i his role in brexit. i actually find that quite — his role in brexit. i actually find that quite gratifying _ his role in brexit. i actually find that quite gratifying in - his role in brexit. i actually find that quite gratifying in some i his role in brexit. i actually find i that quite gratifying in some ways.

ithink— that quite gratifying in some ways. i think it's — that quite gratifying in some ways. i think it's most _ that quite gratifying in some ways. i think it's most unlikely— that quite gratifying in some ways. i think it's most unlikely that - that quite gratifying in some ways. i think it's most unlikely that he i i think it's most unlikely that he would _ i think it's most unlikely that he would want _ i think it's most unlikely that he would want to _ i think it's most unlikely that he would want to pursue _ i think it's most unlikely that he would want to pursue any - i think it's most unlikely that he would want to pursue any sort l i think it's most unlikely that he i would want to pursue any sort of a westminster— would want to pursue any sort of a westminster career, _ would want to pursue any sort of a westminster career, or— would want to pursue any sort of a westminster career, or even- would want to pursue any sort of a westminster career, or even set . would want to pursue any sort of a | westminster career, or even set up an alternative — westminster career, or even set up an alternative party. _ westminster career, or even set up an alternative party. but _ westminster career, or even set up an alternative party. but i- westminster career, or even set up an alternative party. but i guess i an alternative party. but i guess all of— an alternative party. but i guess all of these _ an alternative party. but i guess all of these things _ an alternative party. but i guess all of these things are _ an alternative party. but i guess all of these things are up - an alternative party. but i guess all of these things are up for i an alternative party. but i guess i all of these things are up for grabs now _ all of these things are up for grabs now. ~ , . , all of these things are up for grabs now. , �* now. we shall see. christopher, i've tiven ou now. we shall see. christopher, i've given you enough — now. we shall see. christopher, i've given you enough time _ now. we shall see. christopher, i've given you enough time to _ now. we shall see. christopher, i've given you enough time to correct i given you enough time to correct your breath and to check the watch apps. what else hearing. idistill your breath and to check the watch apps. what else hearing. will there are rumours — apps. what else hearing. will there are rumours that _ apps. what else hearing. will there are rumours that a _ apps. what else hearing. will there are rumours that a third _ apps. what else hearing. will there are rumours that a third floor i apps. what else hearing. will there are rumours that a third floor tory l are rumours that a third floor tory mp might resign tonight. i'm not going _ mp might resign tonight. i'm not going to say who that person is because — going to say who that person is because it _ going to say who that person is because it is their announcement to make _ because it is their announcement to make and _ because it is their announcement to make and it's not sure if it's true yet either~ — make and it's not sure if it's true yet either. this is a reminder, i think. — yet either. this is a reminder, i think, taking a step back to what this party— think, taking a step back to what this party was like last year and in many— this party was like last year and in many sense — this party was like last year and in many sense i think we might be relieved — many sense i think we might be relieved at the calmness of rishi sunak— relieved at the calmness of rishi sunak returning to downing street because _ sunak returning to downing street because it'sjust too sunak returning to downing street because it's just too exhausting. that exhaustion, will extend to many, many politicaljournalists many, many political journalists throughout many, many politicaljournalists throughout the hours ahead, because this is such a big moment. we know

according to christopher sources that he is in africa. so, it's going to be tricky for the tv networks to do the traditional doorstep outside, but i'm sure someone will be finding somewhere to try do that. john, let's just focus a little less on the personality, and just a little on the process. what does happen now because mark on the process. what does happen now because mar— because mark well, mrjohnson is presumably _ because mark well, mrjohnson is presumably going _ because mark well, mrjohnson is presumably going to _ because mark well, mrjohnson is presumably going to take - because mark well, mrjohnson is presumably going to take one i because mark well, mrjohnson is presumably going to take one ofl because mark well, mrjohnson is i presumably going to take one of the honorific officers, which will disqualify him as an mp. mps can't officially resign. and i was a result there will be a vacancy for his constituency. by convention, it is up to the party that won the seat as a last general election to decide when the by election should take place. although also by convention, parties don't delay that process for more than three months. frankly, while mr sue nack may not be

entirely unhappy that mrjohnson is going, on the other hand, will not welcome the prospect of a by election, which is going to be much more difficult to defend other vacancy that arose today, which is in the dean dorries seat. he would prefer not to be seen to be losing a general election. and frankly given the current state of the polls and assuming that lord ashcroft poll is not necessarily prove to be an indication of will happen, then in truth the concern is our party is going to suffer a dip each, so did they try to call it relatively quickly, which i suppose could potentially mean by the end ofjuly or do they wait for early september qwest mac but i guess that's probably the timeframe that we might now be looking for for for both by elections. , ., , ., _, , elections. john, let me put a couple of oints elections. john, let me put a couple of points to — elections. john, let me put a couple of points to you _ elections. john, let me put a couple of points to you that _ elections. john, let me put a couple of points to you that boris _ elections. john, let me put a couple of points to you that boris johnson i of points to you that borisjohnson himself makes in his statement. he says when i left office last year the government was only a handful of

points behind in the polls. that gap has now massively widened. you're presuming that he has put that statement in here and his statement to say, i was an asset, and actual assets, and since i'm not leader, the gap in the polls has massively fallen. what do you make of that reading? fallen. what do you make of that readin: ? �* , . reading? let's give credit where credit is due. _ reading? let's give credit where credit is due. mr _ reading? let's give credit where credit is due. mrjohnson's, i reading? let's give credit where credit is due. mrjohnson's, one| reading? let's give credit where l credit is due. mrjohnson's, one of his greatest strength is that he is a remarkable campaigner, and i think there is little gain saying the argument that the victory of the conservative concert circuitry of 2019 was very much a product of one, his success in getting the northern ireland protocol that even though he just owned it later, and then being able to bring together mostly voters behind the conservative party, 80% of them voted for the party, and that was the foundation of the victory. that is a reflection of his

unrivaled ability as a campaigner. however, your ability as a campaigner does ultimately rest on whether or not the public are going to believe you. after two years, and office, when the conservatives i've never been behind labour in the polls, quite remarkably, once partygate hit, then indeed yes, the party did fall behind in the polls. now, it's true by time he had left office the party was around eight or nine points behind. but was not potentially recoverable because mark yes. was it recoverable under mr johnson because mark not necessarily given the view that the public had then formed of him. but of course much of the primary responsibility for the fact that the conservatives are now so far behind in polls doesn't abide with rishi sunak but his immediate predecessor, less trust. of course she only got the opportunity because tory mps effectively brought mrjohnson down through the mass resignation from the government which meant he could

no longer sustain and administration. so he can say well, that wasn't my fault. but in the end it was the liz truss event that caused the conservatives real difficulty and puts them in a situation where the moment even under mr sumac, somewhat less unpopular he has done his party, the road back to being able to win the next general election looks like a very substantial charge indeed. it's not all mrjohnson's fault, but i think mrjohnson does need to recognise at least what it was, partygate, and the fact that frankly his interpretation of what the party did or did not allow, although that interpretation may be honest, was so much at variance with what most of society was following including of course those painful decisions that people faced of not being able to visit loved ones with dementia and the care home, not being able to attend the funeral of even your married partner, that was so

strongly embedded in the public mind, that mrjohnson feeling that i was trying to hold a gathering in order to recognise the fact that somebody was leaving office. that frankly for most people just did not seem credible as a reasonable interpretation of the rules that everybody else thought that they were following. given that the pandemic was so embedded in peoples lives, so many people have had to make painful choices. therefore i think it was always going to be very difficult for mrjohnson to recover from the public perception of him that emerged out of that nine months of the partygate saga.— of the partygate saga. professor, thank you- _ of the partygate saga. professor, thank you- just — of the partygate saga. professor, thank you. just want _ of the partygate saga. professor, thank you. just want to _ of the partygate saga. professor, thank you. just want to remind i thank you. just want to remind people turning in right now, the phases you can see on screen, joanne as they are, former conservative central office professor, and john curtis who were just hearing from,

and christopher hope. christopher, can wejust and christopher hope. christopher, can we just rewind a little's one of the very first things we were talking about on the air was just a chronology of what happened since this afternoon, just take us back and talk us through it again. if this afternoon, just take us back and talk us through it again. iii and talk us through it again. if i to and talk us through it again. if i go back a week ago, october, the house _ go back a week ago, october, the house of— go back a week ago, october, the house of laws commission submitted the boris _ house of laws commission submitted the borisjohnson resignation the boris johnson resignation honours _ the borisjohnson resignation honours list to number 10 downing street _ honours list to number 10 downing street on — honours list to number 10 downing street. on that list there was not the name — street. on that list there was not the name of nadine dorries, others like nigel— the name of nadine dorries, others like nigel adams, four mps that boris _ like nigel adams, four mps that borisjohnson had put forward and he hoped they— borisjohnson had put forward and he hoped they would get a promise place and the house of lords in the next election _ and the house of lords in the next election. but they told number ten that they— election. but they told number ten that they can't award peerages 18 months _ that they can't award peerages 18 months away from an election, only six months — months away from an election, only six months away from an election sitting _ six months away from an election sitting mp — six months away from an election sitting mp p promised a seat in the

house _ sitting mp p promised a seat in the house of— sitting mp p promised a seat in the house of lords. it's too far away to vet. fast—forward to yesterday, when boris _ vet. fast—forward to yesterday, when borisjohnson received vet. fast—forward to yesterday, when boris johnson received the privileges report back on whether he lied to _ privileges report back on whether he lied to the _ privileges report back on whether he lied to the house of commons and then fast— lied to the house of commons and then fast forward to today, nadine dorries— then fast forward to today, nadine dorries held a long conversation with senior people in downing street when she _ with senior people in downing street when she was told she is not on the last but— when she was told she is not on the last but has— when she was told she is not on the last but has been approved by this approval— last but has been approved by this approval group. she then announced at four— approval group. she then announced at four o'clock today, with about a minutes _ at four o'clock today, with about a minutes notice to the whips office, that she _ minutes notice to the whips office, that she is — minutes notice to the whips office, that she is resigning as an mp. that was dramatic enough. of course at five o'clock— was dramatic enough. of course at five o'clock we then got the full list of— five o'clock we then got the full list of mr— five o'clock we then got the full list of mrjohnson's honours list. and then — list of mrjohnson's honours list. and then at 830 tonight, johnson himself— and then at 830 tonight, johnson himself saying he was resigning as an mp _ himself saying he was resigning as an mp. that is what happened in the past week _ an mp. that is what happened in the past week. talk an mp. that is what happened in the ast week. . ~ , an mp. that is what happened in the ast week. ., ,, , ., ., , an mp. that is what happened in the ast week. ., ,, , ., .,, . past week. talk us through as much as ou past week. talk us through as much as you are willing _ past week. talk us through as much as you are willing to _ past week. talk us through as much as you are willing to share. - past week. talk us through as much as you are willing to share. what i as you are willing to share. what happened to your phone and your whatsapp messages at around 830? it whatsapp messages at around 830? it just excluded. it is red hot right

now _ just excluded. it is red hot right now the — just excluded. it is red hot right now. the mp that i thought was resigning — now. the mp that i thought was resigning along with johnson, now. the mp that i thought was resigning along withjohnson, a third _ resigning along withjohnson, a third name, is not going. i check with— third name, is not going. i check with them — third name, is not going. i check with them. and now there is a fourth name _ with them. and now there is a fourth name of— with them. and now there is a fourth name of someone who mightjump tonight _ name of someone who mightjump tonight. we are seeing the disintegration i think of the guard who surrender themselves around johnson — who surrender themselves around johnson, whojohnson gave preference to and _ johnson, whojohnson gave preference to and his _ johnson, whojohnson gave preference to and his cabinet last year, they relied _ to and his cabinet last year, they relied on — to and his cabinet last year, they relied on him for support. and they are a _ relied on him for support. and they are a team — relied on him for support. and they are a team who got the vote out in 2019. _ are a team who got the vote out in 2019, who delivered on brexit. that team _ 2019, who delivered on brexit. that team is now— 2019, who delivered on brexit. that team is now disintegrating in real time now. — team is now disintegrating in real time now, right now. ithink team is now disintegrating in real time now, right now. i think really why would — time now, right now. i think really why would they be considering resigning, regardless of if anyone actually does or not�*s is it because they simply have no future without borisjohnson sitting in the house of commons? boris johnson sitting in the house of commons?— boris johnson sitting in the house of commons? they feel they have no future. of commons? they feel they have no future- under — of commons? they feel they have no future. under the _ of commons? they feel they have no future. under the current _ future. under the current prime minister. — future. under the current prime minister, richie sue not, many of these _ minister, richie sue not, many of these people will deny this, but they think there is a plot to bring down _ they think there is a plot to bring down borisjohnson this

they think there is a plot to bring down boris johnson this time last year~ _ down boris johnson this time last year~ it— down boris johnson this time last year. it started with a resignation from _ year. it started with a resignation from cabinet and then of course we do know— from cabinet and then of course we do know that rishi sunak quit as chancellor, and then 60 colleagues resigned. _ chancellor, and then 60 colleagues resigned, forcing the pace on mr johnson's — resigned, forcing the pace on mr johnson's partnership and ending that in— johnson's partnership and ending that injuly last year. the view which — that injuly last year. the view which is — that injuly last year. the view which is gathering among his supporters who i speak to on the back— supporters who i speak to on the back benches, that was a plot to bring down borisjohnson. that will be denied. — bring down borisjohnson. that will be denied, of course, by 10 bring down borisjohnson. that will be denied, of course, by10 downing street _ be denied, of course, by10 downing street that— be denied, of course, by10 downing street. that is not what they would agree _ street. that is not what they would agree to _ street. that is not what they would agree to. but that's the feeling, and so _ agree to. but that's the feeling, and so with their leader leaving, many— and so with their leader leaving, many of— and so with their leader leaving, many of these college might be thinking — many of these college might be thinking why carry—on, because the party— thinking why carry—on, because the party does — thinking why carry—on, because the party does look like it's going to defeat _ party does look like it's going to defeat at — party does look like it's going to defeat at the end of next year according to the polls. and in opposition for five years. that's no fun for— opposition for five years. that's no fun for a _ opposition for five years. that's no fun for a of— opposition for five years. that's no fun for a of tory mps, tired of being— fun for a of tory mps, tired of being attacked and criticised and under— being attacked and criticised and under fire — being attacked and criticised and under fire all the time. so many might— under fire all the time. so many might make a break for it in short order, _ might make a break for it in short order, bringing more pressure on rishi _ order, bringing more pressure on rishi sunak. i do think richie sue not himself is quite secure. no one else can _ not himself is quite secure. no one else can go — not himself is quite secure. no one else can go in until october next

year~ _ else can go in until october next year~ he's — else can go in until october next year. he's quite safe now. no 1's going _ year. he's quite safe now. no 1's going to — year. he's quite safe now. no 1's going to challenge him. and was johnson — going to challenge him. and was johnson going he is now safe, i think. — johnson going he is now safe, i think. to — johnson going he is now safe, i think, to fight the next election. lets think, to fight the next election. lets bring — think, to fight the next election. lets bring joanne adler back in. what about boris johnson, lets bring joanne adler back in. what about borisjohnson, more about the conservative party and the operations they are and downing street and the party operations? what is your sense of what the mood will be? . ., ~' will be? excellent, iwould think. an bod will be? excellent, iwould think. anybody that _ will be? excellent, iwould think. anybody that can _ will be? excellent, iwould think. anybody that can stand _ will be? excellent, iwould think. anybody that can stand back i will be? excellent, iwould think. | anybody that can stand back from will be? excellent, iwould think. i anybody that can stand back from the excitement _ anybody that can stand back from the excitement that _ anybody that can stand back from the excitement that you _ anybody that can stand back from the excitement that you suggested - anybody that can stand back from the excitement that you suggested that l excitement that you suggested that journalists — excitement that you suggested that journalists will _ excitement that you suggested that journalists will be _ excitement that you suggested that journalists will be having _ excitement that you suggested that journalists will be having and - excitement that you suggested that journalists will be having and the i journalists will be having and the sort of _ journalists will be having and the sort of fever _ journalists will be having and the sort of fever atmosphere - journalists will be having and the sort of fever atmosphere that i journalists will be having and the sort of fever atmosphere that isi journalists will be having and the l sort of fever atmosphere that is no doubt _ sort of fever atmosphere that is no doubt sweeping _ sort of fever atmosphere that is no doubt sweeping through _ sort of fever atmosphere that is no i doubt sweeping through westminster and really— doubt sweeping through westminster and really consider— doubt sweeping through westminster and really consider what _ doubt sweeping through westminster and really consider what politics i doubt sweeping through westminster and really consider what politics is. and really consider what politics is meant _ and really consider what politics is meant to— and really consider what politics is meant to be — and really consider what politics is meant to be about _ and really consider what politics is meant to be about witches - and really consider what politics isj meant to be about witches serving the people. — meant to be about witches serving the people, should _ meant to be about witches serving the people, should frankly- meant to be about witches serving the people, should frankly be i the people, should frankly be appalled _ the people, should frankly be appalled by— the people, should frankly be appalled by of— the people, should frankly be appalled by of this. _ the people, should frankly be appalled by of this. this i the people, should frankly be appalled by of this. this is i the people, should frankly be. appalled by of this. this is why people — appalled by of this. this is why people have _ appalled by of this. this is why people have turned _ appalled by of this. this is why people have turned away - appalled by of this. this is why people have turned away from | appalled by of this. this is why i people have turned away from the conservative — people have turned away from the conservative party _ people have turned away from the conservative party because - people have turned away from the conservative party because of i people have turned away from the conservative party because of the | conservative party because of the ludicrous — conservative party because of the ludicrous carry—on _ conservative party because of the ludicrous carry—on of _ conservative party because of the ludicrous carry—on of the - conservative party because of the ludicrous carry—on of the last - ludicrous carry—on of the last couple — ludicrous carry—on of the last couple of _ ludicrous carry—on of the last couple of years. _ ludicrous carry—on of the last couple of years. but - ludicrous carry—on of the last couple of years. but the - ludicrous carry—on of the lasti couple of years. but the point ludicrous carry—on of the last - couple of years. but the point is, there _ couple of years. but the point is, there is_

couple of years. but the point is, there is still— couple of years. but the point is, there is still a _ couple of years. but the point is, there is still a country— couple of years. but the point is, there is still a country that - couple of years. but the point is, there is still a country that needs to be _ there is still a country that needs to be run — there is still a country that needs to be run so _ there is still a country that needs to be run. so while _ there is still a country that needs to be run. so while i— there is still a country that needs to be run. so while i accept - there is still a country that needs to be run. so while i accept and i to be run. so while i accept and agree _ to be run. so while i accept and agree with _ to be run. so while i accept and agree with christopher's - to be run. so while i accept andi agree with christopher's analysis to be run. so while i accept and - agree with christopher's analysis to the extent— agree with christopher's analysis to the extent that _ agree with christopher's analysis to the extent that their— agree with christopher's analysis to the extent that their sports - agree with christopher's analysis to the extent that their sports rishi i the extent that their sports rishi sunak— the extent that their sports rishi sunak and — the extent that their sports rishi sunak and they— the extent that their sports rishi sunak and they kind _ the extent that their sports rishi sunak and they kind of— the extent that their sports rishi sunak and they kind of more - the extent that their sports rishi i sunak and they kind of more secure our position — sunak and they kind of more secure our position as _ sunak and they kind of more secure our position as leader— sunak and they kind of more secure our position as leader of— sunak and they kind of more secure our position as leader of the - our position as leader of the conservative _ our position as leader of the conservative party, - our position as leader of the conservative party, it - our position as leader of the conservative party, it hardly our position as leader of the - conservative party, it hardly puts him in _ conservative party, it hardly puts him in a — conservative party, it hardly puts him in a more _ conservative party, it hardly puts him in a more secure _ conservative party, it hardly puts him in a more secure position- conservative party, it hardly puts him in a more secure position as| him in a more secure position as prime _ him in a more secure position as prime minister _ him in a more secure position as prime minister. i— him in a more secure position as prime minister. i think— him in a more secure position as prime minister. i think it- him in a more secure position asi prime minister. i think it reflects extremely— prime minister. i think it reflects extremely badly— prime minister. i think it reflects extremely badly on _ prime minister. i think it reflects extremely badly on the - prime minister. i think it reflects- extremely badly on the conservative party _ extremely badly on the conservative party. people — extremely badly on the conservative party. people aren't _ extremely badly on the conservative party. people aren't going _ extremely badly on the conservative party. people aren't going to - extremely badly on the conservative party. people aren't going to be - party. people aren't going to be bothered — party. people aren't going to be bothered to, _ party. people aren't going to be bothered to, and _ party. people aren't going to be bothered to, and frankly - party. people aren't going to be bothered to, and frankly why. party. people aren't going to be - bothered to, and frankly why should they, _ bothered to, and frankly why should they, look— bothered to, and frankly why should they, took into — bothered to, and frankly why should they, look into all _ bothered to, and frankly why should they, look into all of _ bothered to, and frankly why should they, look into all of the _ bothered to, and frankly why should they, look into all of the analysis . they, look into all of the analysis and why— they, look into all of the analysis and why somebody _ they, look into all of the analysis and why somebody has - they, look into all of the analysis and why somebody has had - they, look into all of the analysis and why somebody has had their| they, look into all of the analysis - and why somebody has had their ego bruised _ and why somebody has had their ego bruised and — and why somebody has had their ego bruised and that _ and why somebody has had their ego bruised and that kind _ and why somebody has had their ego bruised and that kind of— and why somebody has had their ego bruised and that kind of thing. - and why somebody has had their ego bruised and that kind of thing. they. bruised and that kind of thing. they are just _ bruised and that kind of thing. they are just going — bruised and that kind of thing. they are just going to _ bruised and that kind of thing. they are just going to see _ bruised and that kind of thing. they are just going to see a _ bruised and that kind of thing. they are just going to see a party- bruised and that kind of thing. they are just going to see a party that i are just going to see a party that is supposed _ are just going to see a party that is supposed to _ are just going to see a party that is supposed to be _ are just going to see a party that is supposed to be leaving - is supposed to be leaving the country — is supposed to be leaving the country at _ is supposed to be leaving the country at war— is supposed to be leaving the country at war with _ is supposed to be leaving the country at war with itself. - is supposed to be leaving the i country at war with itself. and is supposed to be leaving the - country at war with itself. and it's a very— country at war with itself. and it's a very undefined _ country at war with itself. and it's a very undefined spectacle. - country at war with itself. and it's a very undefined spectacle. lel'sl a very undefined spectacle. let's “ust, a very undefined spectacle. let's just. john. _ a very undefined spectacle. let's just. john. as— a very undefined spectacle. let's just. john. as you _ a very undefined spectacle. let's just, john, as you are _ a very undefined spectacle. let's just, john, as you are talking - just, john, as you are talking there, obviously you would expect there, obviously you would expect the immediate reaction starting to come in from westminster and from politicians, and we can bring you one social media message from michael fabricant, mp and a big fan

of borisjohnson. disgraceful treatment of a political leader who has made world history by achieving brexit and leaving the conservatives to a landslide general election victory. let's go back tojoanne adler. how widespread do you think that view will be?— that view will be? well, boris has very devoted _ that view will be? well, boris has very devoted supporters, - that view will be? well, boris has very devoted supporters, and - that view will be? well, boris has very devoted supporters, and i i that view will be? well, boris has i very devoted supporters, and i think a couple _ very devoted supporters, and i think a couple of— very devoted supporters, and i think a couple of the — very devoted supporters, and i think a couple of the previous— very devoted supporters, and i think a couple of the previous comments. a couple of the previous comments over the _ a couple of the previous comments over the last — a couple of the previous comments over the last hour— a couple of the previous comments over the last hour have _ a couple of the previous comments over the last hour have testified i a couple of the previous comments over the last hour have testified to| over the last hour have testified to that _ over the last hour have testified to that he _ over the last hour have testified to that he isn't— over the last hour have testified to that. he isn't really— over the last hour have testified to that. he isn't really kind _ over the last hour have testified to that. he isn't really kind of- over the last hour have testified to that. he isn't really kind of a - that. he isn't really kind of a regular— that. he isn't really kind of a regular politician. _ that. he isn't really kind of a regular politician. people - that. he isn't really kind of al regular politician. people feel that. he isn't really kind of a - regular politician. people feel very passionately— regular politician. people feel very passionately about— regular politician. people feel very passionately about him, _ regular politician. people feel very passionately about him, for- regular politician. people feel very passionately about him, for good i regular politician. people feel very i passionately about him, for good and for bad _ passionately about him, for good and for bad i_ passionately about him, for good and for bad i have — passionately about him, for good and for bad. i have tried _ passionately about him, for good and for bad. i have tried always _ passionately about him, for good and for bad. i have tried always to - passionately about him, for good and for bad. i have tried always to sort i for bad. i have tried always to sort of be _ for bad. i have tried always to sort of be reflective _ for bad. i have tried always to sort of be reflective and _ for bad. i have tried always to sort of be reflective and fair _ for bad. i have tried always to sort of be reflective and fair about i for bad. i have tried always to sort| of be reflective and fair about what those _ of be reflective and fair about what those strengths _ of be reflective and fair about what those strengths and _ of be reflective and fair about what those strengths and weaknesses . of be reflective and fair about what i those strengths and weaknesses are, and nry— those strengths and weaknesses are, and rny concern— those strengths and weaknesses are, and my concern and _ those strengths and weaknesses are, and my concern and all— those strengths and weaknesses are, and my concern and all of— those strengths and weaknesses are, and my concern and all of this - those strengths and weaknesses are, and my concern and all of this is i and my concern and all of this is that some — and my concern and all of this is that some very— and my concern and all of this is that some very seriously - and my concern and all of this is that some very seriously bad i that some very seriously bad decisions, _ that some very seriously bad decisions, and _ that some very seriously bad decisions, and my— that some very seriously bad decisions, and my mind, i that some very seriously bad | decisions, and my mind, that that some very seriously bad i

decisions, and my mind, that were taken _ decisions, and my mind, that were taken about— decisions, and my mind, that were taken about lockdown, _ decisions, and my mind, that were taken about lockdown, aren't i decisions, and my mind, that were| taken about lockdown, aren't going to be _ taken about lockdown, aren't going to be reviewed _ taken about lockdown, aren't going to be reviewed because _ taken about lockdown, aren't going to be reviewed because we - taken about lockdown, aren't going to be reviewed because we got- taken about lockdown, aren't going l to be reviewed because we got swept up to be reviewed because we got swept up in the _ to be reviewed because we got swept up in the whole — to be reviewed because we got swept up in the whole carry—on _ to be reviewed because we got swept up in the whole carry—on of— to be reviewed because we got swept up in the whole carry—on of the i up in the whole carry—on of the partygate — up in the whole carry—on of the partygate fiasco _ up in the whole carry—on of the partygate fiasco rather- up in the whole carry—on of the partygate fiasco rather than i up in the whole carry—on of the i partygate fiasco rather than looking at the _ partygate fiasco rather than looking at the proper— partygate fiasco rather than looking at the proper reasons _ partygate fiasco rather than looking at the proper reasons behind - partygate fiasco rather than looking i at the proper reasons behind locking down _ at the proper reasons behind locking down the _ at the proper reasons behind locking down the whole _ at the proper reasons behind locking down the whole economy, _ at the proper reasons behind locking down the whole economy, and i at the proper reasons behind locking down the whole economy, and how. down the whole economy, and how sensible _ down the whole economy, and how sensible that — down the whole economy, and how sensible that was _ down the whole economy, and how sensible that was or— down the whole economy, and how sensible that was or wasn't, - down the whole economy, and how sensible that was or wasn't, as i down the whole economy, and how sensible that was or wasn't, as it. sensible that was or wasn't, as it has proven— sensible that was or wasn't, as it has proven in— sensible that was or wasn't, as it has proven in many— sensible that was or wasn't, as it has proven in many ways - sensible that was or wasn't, as it has proven in many ways to i sensible that was or wasn't, as it has proven in many ways to have been _ has proven in many ways to have been. i has proven in many ways to have been 0k: trust— has proven in many ways to have been. 0k. ijust feel— has proven in many ways to have been. 0k. ijust feel the - has proven in many ways to have been. 0k. ijust feelthe proper. been. ok. i 'ust feelthe proper grown-up— been.“ ijust feel the proper grown—up sentiment— been.“ ijust feel the proper grown—up sentiment of- been.“ ijust feel the proper grown—up sentiment of politics| been.“ ijust feel the proper. grown—up sentiment of politics of this is— grown—up sentiment of politics of this is being — grown—up sentiment of politics of this is being lost _ grown—up sentiment of politics of this is being lost in _ grown—up sentiment of politics of this is being lost in yet _ grown—up sentiment of politics of this is being lost in yet another. this is being lost in yet another theatrical— this is being lost in yet another theatrical display— this is being lost in yet another theatrical display of— this is being lost in yet another theatrical display of warfare. i this is being lost in yet another. theatrical display of warfare. that everyone — theatrical display of warfare. that everyone seems _ theatrical display of warfare. that everyone seems set _ theatrical display of warfare. that everyone seems set upon - theatrical display of warfare. that everyone seems set upon visiting j everyone seems set upon visiting upon _ everyone seems set upon visiting upon the — everyone seems set upon visiting upon the rest _ everyone seems set upon visiting upon the rest of— everyone seems set upon visiting upon the rest of us. _ everyone seems set upon visiting upon the rest of us.— everyone seems set upon visiting upon the rest of us. joanne, we will return to some _ upon the rest of us. joanne, we will return to some of— upon the rest of us. joanne, we will return to some of those _ upon the rest of us. joanne, we will return to some of those themes, i promise. ijust want return to some of those themes, i promise. i just want to get return to some of those themes, i promise. ijust want to get back return to some of those themes, i promise. i just want to get back to christopher, because christopher hope from telegraph, we are going to let you go for a few minutes. just before i do ijust want to get you to try, if you can, and just summarise the magnitude of what is going on right now. i

summarise the magnitude of what is going on right now.— going on right now. i think we are seeinu going on right now. i think we are seeing the _ going on right now. i think we are seeing the tory — going on right now. i think we are seeing the tory party _ going on right now. i think we are seeing the tory party move - going on right now. i think we are seeing the tory party move on i going on right now. i think we are l seeing the tory party move on from where _ seeing the tory party move on from where it— seeing the tory party move on from where it was, really since 2016 when the surprise — where it was, really since 2016 when the surprise result, which was not tory— the surprise result, which was not tory party— the surprise result, which was not tory party policy, the majority of britons. — tory party policy, the majority of britons. 7~4 _ tory party policy, the majority of britons, 7.4 million britons believe in the _ britons, 7.4 million britons believe in the european union. that triggered a chaotic period and politics— triggered a chaotic period and politics which i think now is coming to an _ politics which i think now is coming to an end — politics which i think now is coming to an end i— politics which i think now is coming to an end. i think this will be the. mark— to an end. i think this will be the. mark tonight on that period over the past seven— mark tonight on that period over the past seven years of chaos. not chaos, — past seven years of chaos. not chaos, but _ past seven years of chaos. not chaos, but may be populism, but i think— chaos, but may be populism, but i think politics, politicians were told to — think politics, politicians were told to wake up and listen to people who they _ told to wake up and listen to people who they had to listen to in a while — who they had to listen to in a while i— who they had to listen to in a while. i think normality is reasserting itself. fascinating take. christopher, _ reasserting itself. fascinating take. christopher, i— reasserting itself. fascinating take. christopher, i know- reasserting itself. fascinating take. christopher, i know youj reasserting itself. fascinating i take. christopher, i know you have lots of work ahead of you. we will come back and grab you in the next hour. thank you for the moment, though. christopher hope, someone who certainly has his finger on the polls, and his whatsapp messages

lighting up with his connections there with conservative parties.